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A photograph that may contain Minister Vương Tứ Đại (王賜大)[edit]

KITLV 85885

Hi, Donald Trung,

I've been searching since you asked me earlier if I'd seen a portrait of Minister Vương Tứ Đại (王賜大). I've made some new findings in these days and I'm sharing them with you here.

Here is a photo (KITLV 85885) taken during the visit of Andries Cornelis Dirk de Graeff to French Indochina. As you can see, most of the people in the photos are mandarins we know very well. From left: Tôn Thất Hân, Nguyễn Hữu Bài, Bửu Liêm, Phạm Liệu, Thái Văn Toản, (?), and Bửu Thạch. Here is the key: who is the second from the right?

As you might have realised, apart from the Regent Tôn Thất Hân, the Duke of Hoài-Ân Bửu Liêm, and the person we don't know, all the others were ministers at the time (1930). At this point, we find that three of the seven Ministers (if the President of Ton-Nhon is also regarded as a Minister) were not present in this photo: Võ Liêm (武濂), Minister of Rites, Vương Tứ Đại (王賜大), Minister of Public Works and Tôn Thất Đàn (尊室檀), Minister of Justice. We've already seen portraits of Võ Liêm ([1]) and Tôn Thất Đàn ([2]).

KITLV 11787

Here is another group photograph (KITLV 11787) of the same event. As you can see, Tôn Thất Đàn was not in either of these two photos (Đàn is an old man with a long beard, thus a recognisable image). What about Võ Liêm? In KTLV 11787, He's third from the right in the second row, wearing glasses. And the unknown man wearing glasses in KITLV 85885 is standing behind Mr Nguyen Huu Bai in this photo, not wearing glasses (Note the shape of his face, don't confuse him with Mr Vo Liem).

By now, I could judge that the unknown man in both photos, is very likely to be the Minister of Public Works we have been looking for - Mr Vương Tứ Đại (王賜大).

Btw, Another photo you uploaded, taken in 1932, also shows such a man who looks similar to him standing with other ministers. 1932 源義信 (talk) 11:46, 16 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

源義信, wow, great research. Thank you for notifying me about these developments. 😀😀😀 — Donald Trung 『徵國單』 (No Fake News 💬) (WikiProject Numismatics 💴) (Articles 📚) 12:21, 16 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]